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哈佛: 计算机不能帮医院省钱

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发表于 2009-12-3 10:12:24 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
Harvard study: Computers don't save hospitals moneyHospital computer systems are often built for administrators, not doctors
Lucas Mearian




November 30, 2009 (Computerworld) A Harvard Medical School study that looked at some of the nation's "most wired" hospital facilities found that computerization of those facilities hasn't saved them any money or improved administrative efficiency.
The recently released study evaluated data on 4,000 hospitals in the U.S over a four-year period and found that the immense cost of installing and running hospital IT systems is greater than any expected cost savings. And much of the software being written for use in clinics is aimed at administrators, not doctors, nurses and lab workers.
The study comes as the federal government prepares to begin dispensing $19 billion in incentives for the health industry to roll out electronic health records systems. Beginning in 2011, the Health Information Technology for Economic and Clinical Health (HITECH) Act will provide incentive payments of up to $64,000 for each physician who deploys an electronic health records system and uses it effectively.
The problem "is mainly that computer systems are built for the accountants and managers and not built to help doctors, nurses and patients," the report's lead author, Dr. David Himmelstein, said in an interview with Computerworld.
Himmelstein, an associate professor at Harvard Medical School, said that in its current state, hospital computing might modestly improve the quality of health care processes, but it does not reduce overall administrative costs. "First, you spend $25 million dollars on the system itself and hire anywhere from a couple-dozen to a thousand people to run the system," he said. "And for doctors, generally, it increases time they spend [inputting data]."
Himmelstein said that only a handful of hospitals and clinics realized even modest savings and increased efficiency -- and those hospitals custom-built their systems after computer system architects conducted months of research.

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He pointed to Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, Latter Day Saints Hospital in Salt Lake City and Regenstrief Institute in Indianapolis as facilities with some success in deploying efficient e-health systems. That's because they were intuitive and aimed at clinicians, not administrators.
Programmers of the successful systems told Himmelstein that they didn't write manuals or offer training. "If you need a manual, then the system doesn't work. If you need training, the system doesn't work," he said.
While many health care experts believe that computerization will improve quality of care, reduce costs and increase administrative efficiency, the Harvard Medical School report notes that no earlier studies closely examined computerization's cost or its effect on a diverse sample of hospitals. Even hospitals on the "most wired" list "performed no better than others on quality, costs, or administrative costs," the study found.
Himmelstein and his team of researchers pored over data on computerization at approximately 4,000 hospitals between 2003 and 2007 from the Healthcare Information and Management Systems Society, along with administrative cost data from Medicare Cost Reports and cost and quality data from the 2008 Dartmouth Health Atlas.
Himmelstein, who was once the director of clinical computing at Cambridge Hospital in Massachusetts, wrote that the misconception that computerization brings cost savings in hospitals is not new. He pointed to ads by IBM and Lockheed Corp. from the 1960s and 1970s touting computerization as a way to reduce paperwork and improve health care. In the 1990s, experts also espoused the benefits of computerized patient records, saying they would be adopted quickly and yield huge administrative savings.
In 2005, one analyst group projected annual savings of $77.8 billion through computerization; another predicted more than $81 billion in savings, as well as a big improvement in health. Today, the federal government's health information technology Web site proclaims that the "broad use of health IT will: improve health care quality; prevent medical errors; reduce health care costs; increase administrative efficiencies; decrease paperwork; and expand access to affordable care."
"Unfortunately," Himmelstein's report reads, "these attractive claims rest on scant data. A 2006 report prepared for the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, as well an exhaustive systematic review, found some evidence for cost and quality benefits of computerization at a few institutions, but little evidence of generalizability. Recent Congressional Budget Office reviews have been equally skeptical, citing the slim and inconsistent evidence base."
David Brailer, who served as the nation's first health information czar under President George W. Bush, noted in an interview with Computerworld earlier this year that 25% to 35% of the nation's 5,000 hospitals use or are in the process of rolling out computerized order-entry and medical records systems.
Brailer, now chairman of Health Evolution Partners, a San Francisco-based investment firm that specializes in funding health care providers, headed the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology from 2004 until 2006.
Implementing e-health records nationwide would cost between $75 billion and $100 billion, Brailer said, adding that individual hospitals "will have to make sizable, potentially multi-hundred-million-dollar budget commitments." Still, he said a fully functioning national electronic health system could reduce U.S. health care costs by $200 billion to $300 billion annually by cutting down on duplicate records, reducing record-keeping errors, avoiding fraudulent claims and better coordinating health care among providers.
Himmelstein called those claims "unsupported."
"For 45 years or so, people have been claiming computers are going to save vast amounts of money and that the payoff was just around the corner," he said. "So the first thing we need to do is stop claiming things there's no evidence for. It's based on vaporware and [hasn't been] shown to exist or shown to be true."
 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-3 10:18:34 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-12-3 14:43:33 | 显示全部楼层
大家有什么看法?还值得做吗?
 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-3 14:54:12 | 显示全部楼层
拜托,听得一点风声就摇摆?!

哪里有什么创新的事业100%都叫好,都没有问题?看来我更应该经常把反方的观点贴出来帮助我们不断反思。
发表于 2009-12-3 17:48:47 | 显示全部楼层
装固话能省钱?买手机能省钱?买电脑+上网能省钱?买车能省钱?医院建大楼能省钱?装修能省钱?
都是花钱的主,为什么要用这玩艺呢?
发表于 2009-12-3 23:22:43 | 显示全部楼层
从审美学角度看,IT无用论本身是有一定证据支持的。
同时我们也需要看到另一些方面。
1、行业发展的阶段性及资源投入的先后次序——先群体后个性是合理的。
2、大环境对小环境的影响——在IT技术的应用上,医疗行业不可能独立于社会发展之外而自辟奇径,医疗行业所能采用的技术也不可能脱离社会现有的科学技术体系,变化与融合都需要时间。
3、缺少有效的收益评价指标——成本投入与效益获得的比较不是简单线性的,需要有较为复杂的评价指标体系。有很多时候,IT不会让你更先进,但至少保证了你不会落后。这就很足够了。

个人认为,由于方法论的错误,该研究以正确的方法获得了错误的结论。 嘿嘿。
发表于 2009-12-4 08:52:19 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 ermulong 于 2009-12-4 08:53 编辑

计算机不能帮医院省钱,不一定是普通现象,但应该是存在的。
这与国内一些医院,上了系统,就列出一大堆提高效率,减少费用的数据,形成鲜明对比。
当国内在吹嘘的时候,没有任何人提出疑问?或者根本不以为然
计算机不能帮医院省钱,我想可能是计算机对医院直接产生效益的医生群体的帮助不大,没有明显的效率,当国外,人员成本占全院成本的70-80%时,计算机自然是不能省什么钱的。
计算机在管理上效益是明显的,有服务上的效益也是明显的,但这些效益与投入相比,结果又如何。毕竟医院的核心竞争力永远是医才,是医术
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